Forums on CLP

[Wizard]

Well I guess like alot of things If the admins dont want it to happen they will just ignore the topic which is a shame as I do believe that a CLP forum would help new players
a lot of old players dont use any forums just go stright to clp via short cut
think of the advantage to new players
any problems they have they can post and there topic will be seen by all AA players not just a few. This will result in faster help and some interaction instead of having to find another site or wait for an answer from support tickets which can sit there for 2-3 days
perhaps some ppl have another agenda to satisfy I only want what is best for AA and to incress the members flying

[shrapnel]

My experience shows me that you can have anything changed if:
a) You have a good case
b) You express your case effectively
c) You direct your case to the right people
d) You don't give up

You seem to believe
you have satisfied a) and b) but what about c)?

I'm not even sure who the "admins" are. I think there is one for each community but, publicly anyway, you have only posted on the USAAC forums. Have you spoken or written to the admins?

I know this isn't a democracy but the people have a voice; that's where the forums come into play and if a valid question is asked on these forums we can insist on an answer.

Temper are you the admin representing the US? If you are speak up. A suggestion has been made that seems to warrant an answer. There! Now if he doesn't answer we will drag him out into the public square and beat the crap out of him.  

As for the other two communities that is up to you Wiz. Don't give up. Keep at it till you get an answer one way or another.

I have a feeling that there is an element in this that I'm not aware of but what the heck, I've never shied away from jumping in where angels fear to tread.

[Temper]

You sir, are not the boss of me! hehe

Actually, this has been discussed before by sysops and admins. I am trying to find the thread. I do seem to remember that I was in favor of an open forum on the CLP. I'll post again after I find it.

I am also curious why this has been brought up now, instead of when Wizard was the UK Admin.

[shrapnel]

You sir, are not the boss of me! hehe

You are absolutely correct but Aegle had it right when she said:

"Go to the people
Learn from them
Love them
Start with what they know
Build on what they have
But of the best leaders
When their task is accomplished
Their work is done
The people will remark:
"We have done it ourselves.""

The people are speaking to you Temp  

[Temper]

Ahh, here we go, from Mar. 31, 2008:

I've always thought there should be open forums on the CLP to help bring the communities together. Yes, it would be at the expense of the club forums, but they are half dead now.

I read all three club forums, but I know that many do not. Having CLP forums for discussions on league rules, scheduling changes, ref recruitment, and anything else to do with the game would help keep everyone informed.

New players now have to look for forums, and then sign up for them. Why not make it easier for all involved?

Player attendance is down and we need to do something to reverse this trend. Open CLP forums may not be the answer, but I think it would be a step in the right direction.

Sound like I was for it back then, although I can't say for sure who the other admins were at that time. Thinking about it, I'm not sure I was the US admin then, Sal may have still been in charge.

Where is the US Historian? :)

[shrapnel]

Thanks, Temp. I don't like to see a question unanswered on the forums; it's untidy. :)

Would it be reasonable to ask if you can find out where the other current admins stand on this question?

I'm assuming that if the admins agree it wouldn't be difficult to implement since there are already forums on the CLP. They just haven't been opened up for general use.

Although it might seem that, as a community Forum Manager, I would have a vested interest in only having community forums, I don't think that way. I believe it would be short sighted to deny a good idea just because it might reduce traffic on community sites. As I've said before, the community sites will stand or fall on their own merits. If CLP forums serve the community better then so be it. Only time and the forum users will provide the answer to that. I think there is probably a place for both community and central sites but let it take it's natural course.

I'm asking Temp to find out where this stands but it would also be good to know whether, as a community, we are behind the idea of CLP forums. Kid and Firestorm have expressed their opinions. How about the other community leaders?

[Temper]

Would it be reasonable to ask if you can find out where the other current admins stand on this question?

Yes, it would be reasonable. :)

[Tbar]

At one time there was only ONE forum and ONE community.

Ask yourself why it failed.. ask yourself why there are six communities now.

History does repeat itself. The reason the current Big Four Communities exist today is the FAILure of the ONE community concept.

Secret meetings and decisions. Backroom agreements. Public never knows who's who or why decisions are made. Problems identified but take eons to fix because of the "politics'. Constant flame wars. Power struggles. Mass majority of pilots NOT represented. Favoritism. Ethnic and cultural divides.

Forums are the basic foundation of a community. 

Who .. would control it.. and how?

[Temper]

Tbar, what forum and community failed?

[Aegle]

You do ask silly questions Temper.   

Since Tbar is the official historian, isn't it obvious that he is referring to the downfall of the Roman Empire?  The hub of the empire was, of course, Rome and the central area of that city was referred to as the Forum within which was the royal residence and other government structures.

So the community would be the Roman Empire and the forum would be the Forum Magnum the centre where citizens gathered for justice and faith.

I think I'm still on topic, but who knows; life can be so complicated. 

Perhaps I'll just run along and leave this to the intellectuals.

 

[TANK]

No, there was no forum or community that has failed.

Remember how all started ?
Back in 2002, the German Community got the access to the Korean Server.
Koreans provided tickets for us so we can join.
Now with some big help from Japan the German Community build a laucher to the Korean server where we had the full control as it was required from the Korean Community.
May you remember asking for access on a form.

Than Ketsujin showed up and Marc Vange gave the hole Community the launch for the new Ketsujin servers.
Such a launch can only be controlled by the community and not a part of the community as the German community was.
Therefore an independed site was needed where we build the launch and select community officials to control that.
February 2007 the Central Lauch Page started and the German Community gave away the launch to the game we controlled for over more than 5 years.
Now we had one launch page where every major community (US, UK, GE) was present and in charge of and 3 major community pages like this one here.

So, where was the community failing ? Must have missed a part :D

At the start of the hole CLP project it was an agreement that we not include any forums on that page.
Maybe because we wasn't sure this will work and we really can work together on one launch page.

Later we decided to switch the internal forums for sysops and admins from the German community to the CLP site.
Much later the decision was to open forums for referees there since the forums work perfectly with the group access rights and so we save work with granting and denying access to the forums for referees.

For a short time now we have also forums there for the Guides and for the same reason as we had it for the referees.

So far denied where forums for league managers and for squad leaders. CLP management didn't see any use for such forums while I did.

Now we are going for open forums and yes, it would be great for the game but maybe some fear that there own community forum loose traffic which looks for me is an important thing for them.
Some may argument like Tbar, saying such a project fails or did already fail

Maybe we get some time open forums there, but not sure if we really do and if not maybe another time we get them.


I think Temper is on it and that's a good think.

[USHA_Kid]

I think the CLP forum should be used for all communities to help new pilots who come into the game.

I'd want to see just a general open Air Attack forum for new registrations to ask questions and also a help forum to compliment the existing support system.

No more than that is needed.

All the community forums would still have the ability to discuss and manage leagues , events and so on.

I don't think we need a full blown forum on the CLP....Just the items I mentioned.

The whole reason to do this is to help maintain numbers within the game.


I'm all for it and will work to make it happen.

As to who would control it and how...Pretty easy to answer...

All communities will control it as they do now with all aspects of the CLP.

That's what our community admins are for.....

[popgun]

Hi Kids

 I agree that this is a great Idea. I Think Kid that we may need to arrange a meeting with the AA admins to make this happen.

[USHA_Kid]

Hi Kids

 I agree that this is a great Idea. I Think Kid that we may need to arrange a meeting with the AA admins to make this happen.

Temper is on it...

[Temper]