UNFAIR ADVANTAGE

[H@wk]

Oh yeah, those who are saying that you know for a fact that your squad never used it......
that's quite easy to say when it looks like no one will ever find out who did it.  So you can save it. 

Did anyone on FD use it?  I don't think so, but I don't know for a fact.

Salute to Sandman and Tzu.

I can say it without a doubt, as soon as we TS_Squadron found out I started this thread.

A wise man said,

Now let's see who are the teams that used it and how they fly now that it's disabled, TS_Squadron never needs an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE other Squads need it to beat us but time tells all.

Cheers

[Slaqfu]

Oh yeah, those who are saying that you know for a fact that your squad never used it......
that's quite easy to say when it looks like no one will ever find out who did it.  So you can save it. 

Did anyone on FD use it?  I don't think so, but I don't know for a fact.

Salute to Sandman and Tzu.

I can say it without a doubt, as soon as we TS_Squadron found out I started this thread.

A wise man said,

Now let's see who are the teams that used it and how they fly now that it's disabled, TS_Squadron never needs an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE other Squads need it to beat us but time tells all.

Cheers

Actually, I forgot to thank you for making the info public, so I'll do it now, thanks.







Salute to Sandman and Tzu.




 

[shrapnel]

Let us all keep this issue in perspective. It has become abundantly clear by discovery and confession who the guilty parties are in this mess. As a result one C.O/Sysop has been dishonored along with the squad he was responsible for. If the advantage they obtained from this allowed them to prevail in matches I am sure they are no longer feeling good about themselves. If they survive the fall out it will take them some time to regain the trust and respect of other squads.

I don't believe any good can come from continuing a public attack on those responsible. Many honest people immediately reacted to this situation when it was discovered and they did the right thing. The facts were uncovered very quickly and the administration took the necessary action. So rather than dwell on the negative aspect of this and the damage it has done to the AA community, let us take heart from knowing that we do have good honorable people in our midst and that they did what had to be done.

We should not continue to beat a dead horse and look for more scapegoats. We should not allow this to further poison our relationships with each other. This is a time to show some compassion for those who fell by the wayside. It is a time for healing and reconciliation. We must not allow this unfortunate episode to continue festering thus causing further damage to our beloved game and community.

I have no wish to curtail discussion but I would ask that you try to be positive in your responses to the topic. Let us find ways to heal and to grow rather than to lash out and destroy.

[Kara]

   you canot live only be a winner ??
send me a Pm!!!!

i can help !!
 

[Slaqfu]

.......It has become abundantly clear by discovery and confession who the guilty parties are in this mess.........

Really?  Because one person (who was already caught) stepped forward and admitted to it?  I guess that's all we needed to know, huh?  Of course that doesn't really jive with this statment from del....

"Its simply not practical to ban the quantity of people that used it."

I'm not advocating for anyone getting banned here, but something doesn't smell right.  It's not practical to ban, what?, less than 15 pilots....please.  This leads me to beleive that there was a lot more people than those in that squad that were using it. 


Also, pilots who were using this feature wont be banned, but they ban a couple of FD guys with no hesitation.......... 

Sounds fair.

[Inferno]

 

Now when I enter a room (if I do anymore) all I will be thinking about is who is CHEATING!

Me too bro, I wonder about that almost everytime I get beat! Damn You Ho and JP !!!!!

All the fights, 1 vs 1, getting beat, was all for nothing as I look back on all of them because Im not sure if they were CHEATING!

Dont worry Bro, everytime I beat you is special to me :) and I wasnt cheating arr arr arrrrrrr 

[shrapnel]

Slaqfu you seem to have some sort of agenda that goes beyond the subject of this topic. You keep mentioning the FD squad so I assume you are a member of that squad. You have also mentioned two members of the squad that you say were banned and it appears to be causing you a great deal of bitterness.

In two of your posts you ended with salutations to "Sandman and Tzu" neither of whom I am acquainted but, again, I am assuming that they are the two FD pilots that concern you. You appear to be relating that alleged banning with whether people should be banned for using the "developer tool."

The last thing I want to do is restrict anyone's right to free speech and as long as people remain civil and respectful I will defend their right to say what they have to say.
No one here is trying to cover anything up although I, personally would prefer to see us moving on from what has been an unpleasant incident.

If the squad that you belong to has a grievance over two of its members being banned I think the CO of your squad should take that up with those responsible. If you want to bring it up here I suppose you may but I don't know if those responsible for the alleged banning will wish to debate it in this forum. After all your squad has not chosen to be a member of this community and has no representation in it.

You, as an individual and, presumably a US based pilot are entitled to join what is known as the Independent Pilot Group ahd help in the process of appointing someone to represent pilots like yourself. I would encourage you to do so. If, however, neither you nor your squad wish to be a part of the community I fail to see why you think this is a suitable venue for your grievance.

In any event if you do wish to continue making your point I would ask that you be clear as to what  it is. Within the bounds of responsible speech tell us what you are angry about and what you think should be done about it. I may be opening up a can of worms but, in all conscience, I have to grant you that right.

[Deleriux]

Just to clear something up - I started to suspend pilots who I thought were involved but after I realized the pointlessness of doing that the suspensions were revoked.

The pilots were LIVE and Commando.

Again the suspensions got revoked after being submitted.

[Slaqfu]

Shrapnel, you should know why I'm upset......as I'm pretty sure you were there.  Tzu was upset upon finding out about the "development mode" cheat, a few words were exchanged, and then Tzu was banned for 10,800 minutes.  If the people who were using the cheat (and lets not kid ourselves-thats what it is) aren't going to get banned, then Tzu needs to be re-instated.  I won't be holding my breath, though.

Does that explain it enough?

[TS_Honolulu_Ho]

Ho,

My post was answering what I knew..and a challenge to any other squadron that could say the same as TS has said.. as well as what I said for BSS and AA.

I hold TS very high for ethics... never question.

That question mark.. was for others.

Salute!

/tbar

Tbar, this is why I asked "politely"  (are you kidding?)  Because I was thinking that I may be taking your statement out of context, which is why I was careful not to elaborate.

I did find out that no one from our squad used this feature in any matches.


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Oh yeah, those who are saying that you know for a fact that your squad never used it......
that's quite easy to say when it looks like no one will ever find out who did it.  So you can save it.
[/quote]


I was going to reprimand them if they did........ So......... Yes, Slaqfu, I do know for 100% certainty that not one TS member used this in any matches or regular flying prior to 3 days ago.

When it was brought to my attention, I took two TS members into a "private" room and tried this option.  It was very cool to say the least and I could see how anyone could use this feature to gain an advantage, as I have stated previously.

If you care to join me on our team speak, I, hopefully, can bring closure to any apprehensions you may have with the TS_Squadron.

Or feel free to come into the room and watch how we conduct ourselves.

Your misgivings will be put to rest very quickly.

I got off topic (sort of ) but all is good.

Aloha

[USHA_Kid]

TZU was not banned for anything to do with the subject here.
I'm the one that banned him.

If you want to know why,please PM me as I will not put this reason out here in the public.

[Slaqfu]

HO - I have no problem with your squad or any other.  In fact you may have missed where I thanked H@wk for posting this info and making it public.  Any assertions by anyone that they and theirs are innocent will only ring hollow as we will never know for sure.  That's not a jab at you, it's just a fact.

Kid - PM sent

[TS_Honolulu_Ho]

Any assertions by anyone that they and theirs are innocent will only ring hollow as we will never know for sure.  That's not a jab at you, it's just a fact.

Kid - PM sent

There is a listing that lets certain individuals see, who has and hasn't used the application.

 

Aloha

[TS_FURY]

Dont worry Bro, everytime I beat you is special to me :) and I wasnt cheating arr arr arrrrrrr 

LMAO, Ill kill ya!!!!!!

[TS_FURY]

Just to clear something up - I started to suspend pilots who I thought were involved but after I realized the pointlessness of doing that the suspensions were revoked.

The pilots were LIVE =  SANDMAN

Again the suspensions got revoked after being submitted.

Ahhhhhh no wonder...........................................bucocky