League Ruling Question

[Tbar]

If during a given round.. there are two pilots left from opposing sides.. and both collided .. what is the outcome of the round?

No points either squad?
Round is played over again?

/tbar

[Vipor]

Good Question.

Has it happened? My guess is that it has not or we would have heard about it.

As a ref I would say do the round over as there was no Last Man Standing.

Since I am not the LM, I would defer to his decision.

 

[Tbar]

It happened in a friendly practice match .. thus the question.

[USAAC_Director]

Well leave it to Tbar to come up with another scenario this late in the game....  :)

I would say that if this happens in a match, the round would just be replayed. Simplest and fairest answer.



Thank you,

Skydancer

[Tbar]

Well leave it to Tbar to come up with another scenario this late in the game....  :) I would say that if this happens in a match, the round would just be replayed. Simplest and fairest answer.
Thank you,
Skydancer

doh.. kick my butt and jump up and down on my broken body !!

I'm embarrassed I didn't think about that a long time ago.. like when the rules were written up and first tested during the USAAC testing rounds. One would think this would be the most obvious of all situations to address in the rules.. 

So .. the round will be played over again. It's da law man.
Ok.. one more situation.. that also happened in a practice match.. and by the logic applied so far.. would also be played over again... here goes:

If the last two  opposing pilots happened to be both out of bounds.. and the ref call's them out of bounds... the round would be played over again?
Yes?

 :D

[Vipor]

Again, as a ref, I would say that for the last 2 pilots to go out of bounds, it would mean that one was running from the other most likely.

I would call it on the one who flew out of bounds first. But so you know, looking at the map to see where each pilot is , is not an exact location given the distance from where the ref is looking. Those with more expertise on the dynamics of the game can supply a better explanation, but from what I have gathered, there can be lag and differences in what each sees and records vs. what is actually happening.

I have seen a pilot or two go out and then jump right back in while looking at the map. Jumping as in not how a plane moves on a map, but a huge jump. So, I cannot see this happening with 2 pilots left and knowing that if one goes out the round should be called.

I often plea to the teams I ref to stay clear of the borders to avoid any question as to whether one went out or not.

Cheers

[Tbar]

Good points Viper..

The BSS match you Ref'ed you gave warning to BSS as if we were out of bounds.. but we were not.. but right on the line as we practice. We were on TS and confirmed with each other we were not out of bounds... No complaint ..it is a Ref's call...  but this fact backs up what you have said. We started an earlier turn on the next rounds just in case... in the future we are not going to press 'right to the line' .. because of consideration of the Ref's map view.

To any Ref:

The Law of "hot pursuit" and how does  it apply?  Interesting.
If I'm being chased.. and I go out of bounds.. ref calls a "out of bounds warning" and the pilot chasing me honors that request immediately by turning back in.. now I turn back in and I'm on his six.. advantage to me.. as I've used the boundary as a last resort. Now I kill the opponent. As a ref.. how would you call that? Or is it just I was smarter and the pursuit pilot should have waited a little bit longer before turning back in. As a Ref.. how would you call that?

Tow Pilots are fighting.. last two pilots.. they are both out of bounds and have ignored so far a warning of "out of bounds". A final warning is issued by the Ref .. both are hot in battle and don't even really know where they are. When the final kill is made.. is it legal? Does the round need to played over again. As a Ref.. how would you call that?

I'm simply curious here .. this is not any type of controversy that I know of.

[Vipor]

All good scenarios and questions Tbor....yeah   mistyped on purpose.

There is a Viper in the game and then there is me, Vipor.

Anyway....enuf on that rant.  You were just the recipient of what has frustrated me by many who type my name wrong over and over.  I luvs ya m8!

Very tough call. I think we need to step back and look at why we have boundaries. In my opinion, it is to ensure that each round does not take for ever and people cannot go all over the map. The 2 minute engage rule also helps this.

Personally, in your first scenario:

If I'm being chased.. and I go out of bounds.. ref calls a "out of bounds warning" and the pilot chasing me honors that request immediately by turning back in.. now I turn back in and I'm on his six.. advantage to me.. as I've used the boundary as a last resort. Now I kill the opponent. As a ref.. how would you call that?

  I would call you out and loss of round. Whether by accident or on purpose, the other pilot avoided going out. You did not.

Second scenario ( i like that word) :

Tow Pilots are fighting.. last two pilots.. they are both out of bounds and have ignored so far a warning of "out of bounds". A final warning is issued by the Ref .. both are hot in battle and don't even really know where they are. When the final kill is made.. is it legal? Does the round need to played over again. As a Ref.. how would you call that?

First, I probably would not warn them. We all know the map limit issue by now. I would more than likely play another round as a provisional, then watch the battle between the 2 and determine damage on each, who was in persuit and given all data make a decision.

Now , just to let you know, if it is WS, they lose round, period!!   Ok ok ...I am joking.

I probably will not ref a WS match given the fact they play same time we do or not at all.

Tbar, Like you confirmed, the ref looking at map and seeing a pilot out does not mean the pilot is out.  I will reiterate to both squads to stay well clear of the borders as the intention of the league is to have one big battle in the middle.

Lets hope neither of the things you brought up happen for the remainder of the league!

[Firestorm]

Now , just to let you know, if it is WS, they lose round, period!!   Ok ok ...I am joking.

I probably will not ref a WS match given the fact they play same time we do or not at all.

hehe...we have no need to run  ;D

[Tbar]

Viper.. if your watching ... butt out of this thread!
hehe.. Mr Vipor... that is not the first time I've made that mistake.. so sorry. I hope I don't keep making that mistake :( You can call be Tbor if you like.. hehe... I deserve it :)

Mr Vipor , Seriously now  ... :)

I like your answers. I do have reason for asking these questions on the forums ... I hope said reason will show up. Anyway.. regardless.. it is all most interesting to me. I'm also learning as well.... I hope others are also. I also hope that folks who may have had question or interest might also post questions for the Ref to answer. I like the format.. "How would you make the call"

ok.. now.. reading my post again.. I see I made a critical mistake in presenting my first scenario. Where I say if I'm being chased... I am meaning to say my pursuit pilot is out of bounds with me..

Take a second swipe at answering in that respect.

Personally, in your first scenario:

If I'm being chased.. and I go out of bounds.. ref calls a "out of bounds warning" and the pilot chasing me honors that request immediately by turning back in.. now I turn back in and I'm on his six.. advantage to me.. as I've used the boundary as a last resort. Now I kill the opponent. As a ref.. how would you call that?

  I would call you out and loss of round. Whether by accident or on purpose, the other pilot avoided going out. You did not.

Thanks Vipor..

/tbor .. I mean Tbar

[Vipor]

HEHE  Tbar,

Its so subjective from the refs view during the round to know if pilots are actually out or not.

My decision would stand, the first pilot to go out knowing the pursuer may or may not go out is at fault. His only other choice is to turn, not go out and fight with more than like not much chance.

So, for me, first pilot to go out is whose squad gets nicked with the loss.

Cheers