MML Scoring

[popgun]

Ty sky

And Inferno in case you didnt notice Temper is a very disturbed  >:Dperson....

[TS_FURY]

My Appoligize to All,

I am not sure what I was thinking.

The correct scoring will be as follows:

In the event of both teams each win 4 rounds a 9th round will be flown to determine the winner. Scoring will be 1 (one) point per round awarded tot he Last Team Standing for the round. All points won by each team will be added to th e standings table, and at the end of the league, points will be tallied to determine 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ..etc.

What this means is that only 8 points are available for each match unless the score is tied, in that case a 9th round will be flown and the winner of that round will receive a point.

Thank you,

Skydancer

Umm.......Can I make a suggestion?  If we made the total points 9 then there would never be a tie and an extra point wouldn't have to be givin out!  This means if everyone flew 9 rounds or even 7 rounds as long as its not an even number there wouldn't be a tie.  My 2 cents!   


TERROR_FURY

[Inferno]

hmmmm.....   

 

[Vipor]

I had wondered why we didn't have an odd number of rounds to prevent a tie, but did not suggest a change as I wasn't aware that the placing would be based on rounds won vs matches won each week.

My suggestion is that if it is based on rounds won that we do not need a tiebreaker. If a match ends at 4-4, then both teams get four points for the week. Since it is total of points over the whole league, there really is no need for a tiebreaker as the accumilation of points by the end will most surely not end in a tie. IF at end of league, we do have a tie, then there can be a playoff.

Now, if the scoing for the league is based on who won the match, then we do need to have an odd number of rounds played.

All sqds need to have played the same number of rounds each week in my opinion if we use the present formula for scoring....

Since there was only one tiebreaker yesterday, we can just strike that 9th round and both sqds reveive 4 points for the week and now all sqds will play same number of rounds throughout the league.  Seems simplist solution to me.

[Inferno]

indeed but not so easy for LM to decide which procedure is best.

So far there are 4 ideas or so of this matter.

one extra point for tie breaker.

no extra point for winning match overall.

Yes extra point for winning match

and only 8 rounds, 4 vs 4 split equals only 4 and 4

all reasonable

reasonable to all? another dilemna for the LM. poor LM. Hope he dont get beat up over scoring lol.

[Vipor]

Well...since there are no points awarded for winning the overall match, I see no reason to have a tiebreaker. It only gives the losing sqd a downer and the winning sqd a feeling of victory. But for league scoring, it could play a roll in the standings at end of said league.

If there were points awarded for "winning" a match each week, then I say of course we need the tiebreaker. Otherwise, it really may mess up the scoring.

I am sure GE will not mind if the 5th point is nullified. 

tough call.....

[Madman]

Never read the scoring, but always thought if 4-4, play a tiebreaker round was stupid.  I mean, why not have 9 rounds to begin with?

As it's a "league", there should be no 9th round, if 4-4, then its a tie.  A tie is possible in 2xsquad, rarely happens though.  The 1 Bonus point for winning shouldn't exist, as this is based on amount rounds won, rather then ratio.  However, if two teams are tied at end, whoever won the most should win the league.

My opinion anyway =)

[Inferno]

all food for thought. Im sure LM will digest it quickly..

great input

[Tbar]

in essence.. I agree with Madman.


The original intention was simply: Win or loss. No points. The mention of points was simply to indicate a round won .. in that match. In the event of a tie .. a sudden death was needed.. or the 9th round. Points were not involved. You win, you get a check in the win column. You lose and you get a check in the loss column. Most wins at end of season.. is champ. If there are ties for most wins at the end of the season .. playoff time for 1.,2, 3rd.

What was original intent is unimportant now; We focus on the rules as they are now.
Points awarded for 'rounds' will work. Its in the rules .. so be it. No problem. It is a little different than the original intention but will work fine (with one exception: fairness). In the case of a 4/4 tie.. we play the 9th and the score is balanced to 9 points .. that will work also.

Here is the exception on Fairness and you will just have to explore this yourself to come to conclusion of what is 'fair'.

Week 1
Team A
5 rounds won, 3 rounds loss. Win/loss balanced to 8 points
Score total: 5/3
Accumulated Score Total: 5/3

Team B
4 rounds won, 4 rounds loss. Thus a tie breaker that they win so their win/loss balance is 9 points.
Score total: 5/4
Accumulated Score Total: 5/4


Week 2
Team A
5 rounds won, 3 rounds loss. Win/loss balanced to 8 points
Score total: 5/3
Accumulated Score Total: 10/6

Team B
4 rounds won, 4 rounds loss. Thus a tie breaker that they win so their win/loss balance is 9 points. Score total: 5/4
Accumulated Score Total: 10/8

Season Ends
In my mind Team 'A' should be in first place because they out right 'won' each match at 5/3 AND they have less points in the loss round column.

What is fair?
You would have to think this out and decide if the Loss column should be considered when determining final positions in the 1,2,3 or playoff situation. etc.

The rules are the rules and how they are now is what we live with. We all had plenty of time to read and understand ALL. I'm surprised the scoring guru's didn't pick up on 8 vrs 9 point balance per game.

Possible quick fix if, round loss points is not an option:
We could consider just dropping the 'tie breaker' because if points are accumulated by rounds won .. at the end of the season it will be "most rounds won" by points.  We are only one week into the series, so if the team(s) with the tie breaker situation can agree to just balance to 8 points and throw out the tie breaker round .. it might work out for the rest of the season. In other words .. no tie breaker round and Tie's will be possible.

Just opinion and input like anyone else folks .. nothing more. Hell.. maybe my math does not work out ... I'm tired and sleepy anyway..

Its great to have League Managers than can cipher thru all these posts and come up with the answers we need.. :)

::::Salute::::
/tbar

[Vipor]

essentially exactly what I said without the examples....

so in essensce you agree with madman and me..lol...i know you didn't intentionally leave that out   

I do agree tho...no need for a tiebreaker if winning a match has nothing to do with the point standings at the end.

Tbar, Its ok mate...i know you don't have to acknowledge that I implied same thing. Just wanted you to notice that I noticed.  We don't have to be best friends ;D

[H@wk]

Second page is a repeat of the first page,

Maybe the 3rd page will be the same, lmao...

I agree with total points at end of season, no tie breakers, with playoffs at end if need be, my 2 cents......

[popgun]

I agree with Madman.
No reason for tiebreaker.
no xtra points for anything.

Total points wins the league, unless a tie at the end ,then we have
a playoff for the winner.

K.I.S.S,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Firestorm]

I see change in the wind...  :)

I also agree that there should be no tie breakers and no extra points given.

Lets start page 3 on the same points as 1 and 2 ...hehe

LM...please tell us so we can all shut up and not make page 4

Fire

[popgun]

Well...since there are no points awarded for winning the overall match, I see no reason to have a tiebreaker. It only gives the losing sqd a downer and the winning sqd a feeling of victory. But for league scoring, it could play a roll in the standings at end of said league.

If there were points awarded for "winning" a match each week, then I say of course we need the tiebreaker. Otherwise, it really may mess up the scoring.

I am sure GE will not mind if the 5th point is nullified. 

tough call.....

Vipor hit it on the head.

This is How I feel it should be. I dont think GE will have a problem with this.
HAY LM What do you think?

[Inferno]

suggestion for Tbar.

Less is More, Shorten it up.